tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post2593939892977608227..comments2023-06-29T03:35:30.610-07:00Comments on A PiKLER EXPERiENCE: MONTESSORi vs. PiKLERNADiNEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08250960712761564990noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-49981541773941142532022-03-20T14:09:11.252-07:002022-03-20T14:09:11.252-07:00Best VACUUM WITHOUT beater barBest VACUUM WITHOUT beater barvacmuxhttps://vacuumcleanerblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-69774074200114821052022-02-01T10:27:05.700-08:002022-02-01T10:27:05.700-08:00ole!ole!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12897573192011480361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-32792678068089684832021-03-29T06:26:38.922-07:002021-03-29T06:26:38.922-07:00best foldable piklr trianglebest foldable piklr trianglekidzolhttps://kidzol.com/foldable-pikler-triangle/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-32578939601552184112020-11-28T10:42:13.363-08:002020-11-28T10:42:13.363-08:00best kids pikler trianglebest kids pikler triangleKid loverhttps://kidzol.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-91477590547533676712020-05-07T09:12:49.140-07:002020-05-07T09:12:49.140-07:00I just stumbled across this post myself and have t...I just stumbled across this post myself and have to echo the thoughts above and whole-heartedly agree with your post. As an AMI 0-3 Montessori Guide, I found many errors and misconceptions in the original post. The materials described are not found in an Infant Community, but rather, a Casa dei Bambini. The same goes for sleeping style, and feeding. I would hope that these corrections would be implemented but I am still so glad to see you have posted here. It just goes to show that we have a lot of work to do to dispose of common misconceptions such as the ones stated above through our practice :) Alanahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740906671077805315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-42614163360901963962019-07-03T02:23:54.674-07:002019-07-03T02:23:54.674-07:00Dear Megan,
I have just seen this, browsing on th...Dear Megan, <br />I have just seen this, browsing on the web (I realise this is a very old post, but still relevant). I am MCI trained, from London and I am very glad that you have clarified the points raised in the original post. I was reading it with dread and fear, thinking that this is really the perception of the Montessori 0-3? I have been working with the Under Threes for a long time and NEVER have 'forced' independence on them, neither with potty training, food or sleep, or activities. Respect towards the child and the family, Freedom of movement, exploration, repetition and following the child in his/her activity and development is what we do as Montessorians (much more than that of course, but need to get back to work :-) ). The Pikler approach is wonderful (I am Hungarian, from Budapest, where the whole idea stemming from) and it has many overlapping principles with the Montessori philosophy - in fact, not long ago I have been at a Pikler conference in London where they showed a 'Pikler' Kindergarten...well, it really could have been a Montessori one, as all the principles, the prepared environment, the freedoms AND the Montessori materials for the different curriculum areas were there, ON shelves etc. For the very little ones, we can ALL offer treasure basket and heuristic play sessions (NOT Montessori, NOR Pikler) and in between there is PLAY, singing, stories, movement, and loving each other and exploring the world together (as a mother, or a childminder or a teacher). And the 'following the child' and respectful care - giving is something that again, as practitioners, parents or educators should always implement, no matter what philosophy we believe in. The child comes first. Annamariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02398022051197146495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-71411090017137677002019-05-30T04:42:24.891-07:002019-05-30T04:42:24.891-07:00good article on https://triangle-de-pikler.fr/good article on https://triangle-de-pikler.fr/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191929152561313606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-63700288643076202492018-10-13T14:20:35.702-07:002018-10-13T14:20:35.702-07:00"Anyway, the point, according to Montessori p..."Anyway, the point, according to Montessori principles, is always to allow the child to meet his own desires for independence, not to force ours on him when he isn't ready. "<br />And Pikler said the same.Nanonymushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226223917971432344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-8359341103945032392018-03-28T08:55:25.357-07:002018-03-28T08:55:25.357-07:00Many have already chimed in explaining that you ha...Many have already chimed in explaining that you have some misunderstandings of Montessori birth to 3. The materials that were designed for 3 and up are not used in birth to 3 classrooms. The materials are open ended, and they learn through exploration. Toilet learning is not forced. It is a process, and is done similarly to how it was done at Loczy. The care of self, aids to independence were also practiced by Pikler at Loczy. Allowing children to participate in their own care is also a Pikler practice. There is no forcing, it is something that they are interested in doing. And as mentioned above, Montessori From the Start is not a great reference. Maria Montessori did not practice or advocate for many of things that are considered "Montessori infant toddler practice" today. We also use RIE and Pikler in the training center where I was trained, and where I now train Montessori birth to 3 teachers. Skye Dodsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17394319626879949786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-70957968561952016912018-02-05T20:42:55.630-08:002018-02-05T20:42:55.630-08:00I would not use Montessori from the Start as a ref...I would not use Montessori from the Start as a reference for Montessori for the 0-3 age. Lillard makes quite a few of her own additions. The Joyful Child is a much more accurate “layperson’s” guide. The Montessori work for this age level is found largely in her 1946 Lectures and Dr Montanaro collaborated with her and later wrote “Understending the Human Being”. These are the two works that all Assistants to Infancy training courses will always have in common. <br /><br />You are incorrect in much of this article. Montessori did not only concentrate on 3-6. She designed a 3-6 program, an elementary program (6-12), a 0-3 program and the blueprint for the adolescent program (12-18) in that order. She died while working on the adolescent program, which David Kahn then flushed out and brought to fruition.<br /><br />My own 0-3 Montessori training included RIE and Pikler’s work and there are few differences (mirrors and mobiles being two of the most obvious) between Montessori and RIE/Pikler. Tammy Chabriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02523621090513675578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-6957238500199998582017-02-24T16:55:50.258-08:002017-02-24T16:55:50.258-08:00Thanks a for taking the time to explain this. My t...Thanks a for taking the time to explain this. My thoughts exactly. I believe there are many missconceptions about montessori when people focuses more on the materials, Or the "currículum", Or the academic bennefits of Montessori and not so much on the philosophy itself. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00460296599194711748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-55669892935497965722016-09-19T14:39:26.730-07:002016-09-19T14:39:26.730-07:00Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am a Preprima...Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am a Preprimary Montessori Teacher/Director, and I also have ECE training in Infant/Toddler. During my infant toddler training I was introduced to RIE and thought how similar it was to the Montessori Philosophy. <br />Since RIE is about the Infant and Toddler Education I do think it would be important to read The Joyful Child, by Susan Mayclin Stephenson to compare RIE to Montessori. Though Montessori from the Start is great, I believe The Joyful Child covers the beginning of life better.Robin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06643468768863448851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-19136842710396888272016-09-19T14:32:15.172-07:002016-09-19T14:32:15.172-07:00Most of what is mentioned is about the Preprimary ...Most of what is mentioned is about the Preprimary class starting around 3 years of age. From what I know about RIE and Pikler it is about infants and young toddlers not the early childhood age.Robin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06643468768863448851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-57720593220270917202016-09-19T14:19:17.832-07:002016-09-19T14:19:17.832-07:00Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am a Preprima...Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am a Preprimary Montessori Teacher/Director, and I also have ECE training in Infant/Toddler. During my infant toddler training I was introduced to RIE and thought how similar it was to the Montessori Philosophy. <br />Since RIE is about the Infant and Toddler Education I do think it would be important to read The Joyful Child, by Susan Mayclin Stephenson to compare RIE to Montessori. Though Montessori from the Start is great, I believe The Joyful Child covers the beginning of life better.Robin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06643468768863448851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-68128792562717616082013-06-08T06:37:35.992-07:002013-06-08T06:37:35.992-07:00I am so glad that you provided this clarification....I am so glad that you provided this clarification. I was feeling like I have to write this as I was reading the article. Amihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00884155420150899080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-78017444795229504582012-05-28T15:02:19.588-07:002012-05-28T15:02:19.588-07:00LittleRiverSchoolOnline, Montessori's philosop...LittleRiverSchoolOnline, Montessori's philosophy hasn't changed to fit the younger group or the older group. The philosophy remains the same, but the application is different to meet the different developmental needs and abilities of each group.Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06580482411332472270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-4198661279718141562012-05-21T11:16:15.793-07:002012-05-21T11:16:15.793-07:00Montessori 0-3, might be helpful here: http://www....Montessori 0-3, might be helpful here: http://www.michaelolaf.net/BirthtoThreeDevelopment.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-49544634131832424832012-01-25T11:19:07.477-08:002012-01-25T11:19:07.477-08:00After reading this article a number of times, I fi...After reading this article a number of times, I find it to be extremely clear and concise. I find that your explanation appears to be more of a well thought out comparison rather than a "versus". Childcare methods vary from philosophy to philosophy. The Pikler method has always,in my opinion, focused very succinctly on infant toddler development. The other methods, including Steiner and Montessori began with older toddlers and over the years saw the need to "alter" the philosophy to fit the birth thru three year old age group.LittleRiverSchoolOnlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10479686196643899632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-1128873585740917882012-01-23T23:15:33.836-08:002012-01-23T23:15:33.836-08:00Hi Megan and Magdalena, thank you for your insight...Hi Megan and Magdalena, thank you for your insightful comments! It's great to get additional thoughts on a topic I'm pretty new to.<br />Well I'm doing the Montessori teacher training myself right now and have had a few discussions with the teacher there. She is very persistent on what we should let a 1,5 or 2 year old do. You are right about it all being an offer to the child but I have found that most Montessori teachers get lost in "how to use this specific material" rather than lfocusing at the Montessori pedagogy in general. And that's maybe why I wrote what I wrote. And don't get me wrong, I still believe this approach so valuable, especially comparing to what children experience in "regular" kindergardens and schools these days. <br />I love your thoughts about the time and and place those two women did their research, Magdalena. This is a very good point.<br />I didn't want to sound too strict, obviously my own experiences with my son and the way Montessori pedagogy is taught over here have influenced my writing. Thank you again for taking the time to comment!NADiNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250960712761564990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-5458970951411704192012-01-23T19:10:52.858-08:002012-01-23T19:10:52.858-08:00Nadine, I am very excited to find this kind of art...Nadine, I am very excited to find this kind of article comparing two very well known approaches. When we consider the great contributors to the educational field, we must also take into account the world in which they lived as well as their environment. Clearly the time and place where Rousseau, Froebel, Pestalozzi, Montessori etc. were living impacted their research. For example at the turn of the century, during Montessori's life, cooking was a much bigger part of life. A child might model different behavior off of this activity that was much more common in a household at that time. If we look at the thought behind the activities suggested by Montessori, and not just the particular activity or material, we can recognize the underlying common understanding between Emmi Pikler's approach and Montessori's. This can be a result of the immense influence of Montessori on modern education. The key is to remain focused on how these methods help provide children with what they need and not get lost in trying to find the same color, brand and shape bean as Montessori used in her school.Magdalena S. Palenciahttp://magdalenaspalencia.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-57220982714700482432012-01-22T19:46:36.191-08:002012-01-22T19:46:36.191-08:00I'm AMI Montessori trained for 3-6 and partway...I'm AMI Montessori trained for 3-6 and partway through the prenatal to 3 training. I'd like to share some information from my training because I think you may have the wrong idea - although it's possible that the Montessori care providers you learned this from may have a different training with a different understanding of the Montessori method. This is my understanding based on my AMI training and readings of Montessori's work.<br />First, the materials for infants are open ended (like balls and rattles) and they really don't require demonstration. As the children get older, we offer demonstration on more challenging materials because the child still has the option to do it or leave it alone. If they are attracted by the "presentation" then they will do it by choice, not coercion. Also, preliminary activities such as pouring water/beans etc are included in primary classrooms for children who never had the opportunity to develop those motor skills in other way (i.e., feeding themselves). They are not part of the "curriculum" for younger children... though since I've taken them out of my classroom I've noticed that once they hit 2 they find ways to pour things from cup to cup or pitcher to pitcher regardless of whether or not it's modeled. <br />I didn't quite understand your statement about there being so many rules with food - I offer food prep opportunities like cutting with a wavy cutter where the child can eat it or put it in a larger bowl to contribute to a family meal if he didn't want to eat it himself, so it wouldn't be wasted. That way if he wants to help he can but it isn't too challenging.<br />Potty training - early wearing of training underwear is to avoid the movement difficulties that a diaper creates, not to potty train early. Once a child starts walking it is a sign that he now has physical control of his sphincters (because the myelinization of his nerve endings has reached that part of his body). At that time Montessorians offer a toilet but don't press it, because we see in every move the child makes that he is striving to become independent and we want to make his decisions possible rather than potentially holding him back.<br />Sleeping - the floor bed is indeed recommended, but there's nothing that says a parent can't help their child fall asleep. However, we CAN trust a child to fall asleep when he is tired, which is why they often do when we don't necessarily want them to. I think the difficulty that might present is for parents who feel a directed sleep schedule is important. As a child who required a lot of sleep myself I can certainly understand that concern :)<br />Anyway, the point, according to Montessori principles, is always to allow the child to meet his own desires for independence, not to force ours on him when he isn't ready. I think that's a common misunderstanding.<br />Thanks for letting me share my knowledge :)Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06580482411332472270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-85022955384942810502012-01-22T15:15:52.792-08:002012-01-22T15:15:52.792-08:00Nadine, I totally agree with you about the didacti...Nadine, I totally agree with you about the didactic play materials and the floor beds. I guess you could say that each approach has a slightly different idea about where "structure" and "independence" should lie. Pikler and RIE believed that structure is needed for "caring" times like sleep, but that children should be trusted 100% to follow intrinsic motivation regarding play and development (including toilet learning). It sounds like Montessori might be the other way around in these areas. <br /><br />Magda Gerber (and Emmi Pikler) appreciated the power of discovery and believed that each child's ideas about play could not possibly be improved on by anyone else. I have found that idea exciting. The purity of it resonates with me... and I've seen thousands of examples of children flourishing through this approach.<br /><br />Can Leander really be 22 months old??? Oh, my goodness! BTW, I'm thrilled that you have email subscriptions now...so I won't miss your new posts. I just signed on!janetlansburyhttp://janetlansbury.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4831666902408078223.post-88198790704535773252012-01-22T11:32:58.855-08:002012-01-22T11:32:58.855-08:00Good points. In my experience (as a teacher more a...Good points. In my experience (as a teacher more aligned to Pikler) it comes down to adult control to implement adult agendas. Monti teaches - as in the transmission of the 'right' knowledge. I'd place Steiner in a similar position - both create beautiful environments, but the path to their idea of beauty is compulsory. <br /><br />I've been exploring the use of Pikler with older children on my blog so come have a read :) akoanarchy.blogspot.comakohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616184093925619910noreply@blogger.com